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I have to say this, I am tired of the hate within our fandom. Hate from the out side is to be expected, but to hate on fellow bronies / pegasisters? I mean come on...
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How do we expect people to understand, when clearly we don't understand eachother, I will use the most common one I hear of, plus my own isue.

The hate I still for the life of me can't understand is the hate toward alicorn OCs. I know a lot of alicorn OC users and people who dislike them, I used to, then after I talked to a friend about theirs, they told me it wasn't for the imortality (most alicorn OCs aren't anyway), or the overpowered combo of magic and flying, and that is what 99% of peoplecomplain about. It was them trying to be unique, which brings me to the next point, I made my OC trying to be creative, but because of his color and wings some people want him gone, they can't do that, so they hate on me. I have not met one brony hater who was not themselves a brony, only ones that are bronies, so I think hate within the fandom is a biggeer problem then people outside the fandom, and needs to be attended to ASAP.
Is anyone / anypony with me?

Thank you for reading, and your time.

Oh, and please comment your opinion, and/or whether you are with me on this.
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Joakaha Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I haven't hear any negative stuff from the fans. Only about the Alicorns OC's, and I don't really care about that just be creative and have fun. ^^
And don't give a fu** what the haters think beacuse they have wrong. :)
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garciarael Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
With you on this.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
yay, thanks
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013
for :iconACharmingPony: inda hard to answer a question after beeing bloced, but no, that was not the reason, infact, I wrote this journal to gather support from a friend, not to be criticized for my opinionin a three to four paragraph comment, I don't have time to read these long drawn out thoughts especially when they are calling me lazy, and saing I have no talent as an artist because of an OC, when I was offended by you the frirst time, I gave you a chance to say that you didn't know that your decription of laziness mached what my OC looked like, so I wrote something along the lines of "think before you type" then you replied "I did, so that ment you wer calling me lazy and uncreative. I was already in a depressed state of mind, , and I could not take hearing you any more, I meant to un block you the next day, but I kinda forgot how...
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Noert Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student Interface Designer
eh, couldnt care less

Compared to some communities (believe me, I've seen pants-headed retarded mass hate parades, and felt them on meself) .. this cant even stand as issue
People gonna hate for various reasons, 99.9999% of the times based on the stupid bullshit they have in their heads, which doesnt even directly relate to the subject they hate. 
So.. rephrasing famous quote, those who hate - dont matter, those who matter dont hate

Unless you could critisicm as hate.. but that's another issue ;)

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ACharmingPony Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have been blocked from replying because I disagree?
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013
no, that was not the reason, infact, I wrote this journal to gather support from a friend, not to be criticized for my opinionin a three to four paragraph comment, I don't have time to read these long drawn out thoughts especially when they are calling me lazy, and saing I have no talent as an artist because of an OC, when I was offended by you the frirst time, I gave you a chance to say that you didn't know that your decription of laziness mached what my OC looked like, so I wrote something along the lines of "think before you type" then you replied "I did, so that ment you wer calling me lazy and uncreative. I was already in a depressed state of mind, , and I could not take hearing you any more, I meant to un block you the next day, but I kinda forgot how...
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Student General Artist
So people can only comment if they agree? Every person has a different point of view mate. Next time, don't block. Thats what i do and to do so you'll need my permission.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
No, that is not why I blocked them, and then I unblocked them, I want to hear the opinions of others, but when they insult me, I should be able to do something to get them off of my back.
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Student General Artist
when people insult you you shouldn't even care
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
I was a little depressed for a few days, and couldn't take very much, but I am fine now.
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Student General Artist
good to hear, next time : make your journals more like an open discussion, NEVER too personal.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
I was trying to help a friend, and show someone cared
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013
you are now unblocked
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Superkeen Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
No, I'm quitting this group right now. The only new alicorn OC should be something like the drawing below. If you want to have an Alicorn OC expect back lash. Why?

 Everyone is unique. That's why we hate alicorn OCs, it's a sign of the person's lack in seeing other people as special. People respect good character, humor, an interesting personality to shine, not bells and whistles.

 It's like the guy with the giant hummer trying find a parking space on a crammed city street wondering why everyone is glaring at him. If you can't handle the hate, get off the street. If you can handle it, fine and if not, then don't do it. The last thing we want to hear is people whining. We want optimism, humor and fun. That's why we like MLP:FIM.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013
yeah
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student General Artist
well, it's what you call whining. sometime's it's pretty cool to start a topic to discuss about. also, nobody forced you to get involved just like i don't force you to stay in the group. you're free to join and leave whenever you want.

Not ALL our journals are like this, don't you think you're a liiiiitle bit overreacting? XD
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Superkeen Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013
Than why did you ask for peoples' responses and feedback if you don't want to hear them? You should probably take that part down.
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Student General Artist
Who said i don't want to hear people's replies? Did i say/imply that?

The fact i disagree with you, doesn't mean i don't want to hear your comment. That would be ignorant.
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Superkeen Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
My bad, I got you confused. I get a little muddled trying to tell who from who in my message box sometimes.
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Student General Artist
ah! i thought it must have been aimed at Moonwing. yeah i also gave him a comment about people having the right to DISagree.
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Rutana Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student Writer
My problem with Alicorn OC's is, that they're to 90% Mary Sue Characters from the start and that they hardly fit into the terms of the show.
I have similar problems with OCs of other fandoms as well.
But neither do I hate them, nor do I hate or dislike their creators, nor do I go on flaming and raging about it. I made tons of bad characters and Mary Sues too (when I was younger and, and that's the key, inexperienced!), I know it's something you either stick in for the rest of your life, no matter the fandom, or that you grow out of sooner or later. If it's something you enjoy, then just do it.

There are things within the fandom that make me growl though.
Depicting Derby as downright retarded (and mostly it's not even recognized by the ones doing it) just for having a lazy eye is the biggest issue I have.
Followed by NSFW Pony work with *cough* "human parts", which just bugs me because... dear god, when you want certain fantasies with pony characters, at least stay true to their anatomy, and don't hide the fact that they're ponies with human "anatomy" (this doesn't count for furries or anthropomorphic pictures of course - just downright ponies).
I also shake my head when I see a picture where the artist didn't get where the mane really ends - pony tails are the most commons where this error is made, where the lower hair line is set right down the "chin", instead of following the whole neck... it's ok if your character is done like this from the start, even the show had one (!) character with a shaved neck, but it's especially annoying when it's done with Rainbow or Twilight, where parts of the different colors can't be displayed when the neck is shaved!
(Note please: all three points go against the art or topic itself, not the artist behind it.)

But in the end... there's a reason why I prefer the term "MLP Fan" instead of "Brony" or "Pegasister".
The more I read about hate against Fans directly, just because of their race, sexuality or, mostly, gender, I question why bronies stick to the "Harmony and Friendship" guideline...
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student General Artist
agreed ^.^

Note: I definately hear ya on that. i don't understand how people can find ponies sexually attractive and i'm also not a fan of NSFW art. the fact people depict derpy as retarded is overreaction at its worst. Derpy means "Clumsy" not "downer".

But have you ever thought about the fact not only the bronies clop and that only a small portion of the fandom is into that stuff? Furries and feteshists also clop, some people only like MLP for the NSFW art and then they call themselves "brony"or MLP fan. it is those people and the rabid fans that give our fandom a bad name. I'm going to help you out of your dream, nowadays "mlp fan" and Brony" have nearly become a synonym and because of your age and interest in MLP people will assume you're a brony. personally i question why you want to avoid the word "brony". every fandom has it's rabids and dramas, the pony fandom is no exception. yes a lot of bad stuff happens, but is that all you see?

The bronies Raised over 60000$ for the childrens cancer association and other charity projects. Some sketches by lauren faust have been sold for a couple of 1000$ for charity, Bronies are one of the most social,open-minded,friendly,deviant and artistic people i know. i know like no other what happens in our fandom, but i myself am NOT like that, i'm proud to be a brony and a part of the new pacifist movement after the hippies in the 60's and the rastas in the 80's. Violence and revenge is good for nothing and when i hate people like they hate me i am no better, it's not being a coward : it's being the better man.
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Rutana Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student Writer
Well, I like NSFW when it goes into the other direction, to be honest.
But I'm a general fan of creepy, dark and gritty stuff, so MLP isn't an exception. ...as long as it's done right that is ^^
Also, I can get how some people might find ponies attractive. I get that it's more the personality that turns them on then their actual species.
I just don't like how it get's "justified" with making certain parts human instead of horse. Go to anthro versions if you need "that" to get a final turn on, but don't lie to yourself when you put "it" on ponies >.<


But I think I chose the wrong words in my original comment.
I know bronies aren't all the same. I know that actually most of them are still what you expect when you hear the background of the community.
Still, I never really felt comfortable with the name "brony" to myself. This might also be reasoned with the fact that I don't participate so much into the community itself.
Sure, I read journals like these and answer to them. Or sometimes Small Talk comes out of an Deviation Comment. But I don't go to cons, I don't go into chats, I barely take a look at EQD, ...
I simply enjoy the show and (most of) the art that's drawn for it.
To take a good example:
I really like Star Trek. But I think that it would be wrong for myself to call me a Trekkie, especially since I haven't really watched all of the show/movies.
On the other hand, I'm such a big Fan of Doctor Who, that I call myself a Whovian even though I still haven't seen most of Classic Who.
If I take this to MLP, I'm simply more a Fan of MLP instead of a "Brony". And every time you hear more negative things from the brony community (obviously because you usually only hear the bad stuff), the more I feel glad not to be involved and to stay a bit outside of that circle.

That DOESN'T mean that I think bad about every brony or that I think the whole community is rotten.
Maybe it's just so much more disturbing to see bronies who're filled with hate, when the motto of the community is "Love and Harmony". It's sad.
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DeathNyan Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
There is nothing wrong with alicorns, OCs, and alicorn OCs. They are awesome and unique, and they have horns and wings at the same time! Maybe the alicorn hate is centered on the "Great Alicorn Sisters" lore wherein only two alicorns are omnipotent rulers of Equestria. Some bronies started hating alicorns when Cadence showed up. Another living alicorn might prove the lore wrong. Too many alicorns will spoil the kingdom, I guess.

Bronies should stand up against the disapproving majority, not to fight with each other. We can disagree with each other over who's the best pony (Fluttershy), but it should not turn into hatred. Most of us, though we complain a lot, are open-minded enough to accept new changes to the show. Open-mindedness is what brought is to the show. Why don't we stay open to others' opinions?

((Is this qualified for a speech? Because I might use this for future discussions))
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
I think it is, and yes, but not all alicorns have to be rulers of some place, its jus a bread, a rare one in cannon
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DeathNyan Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
Yes. If it is just a breed, then we can freely make alicorn OCs, right? There's no problem with pegasi, unicorn, and earth OCs. Why would alicorns be any different?
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
yeah, right
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TankconBoss Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I agree with you 100%
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
thanks
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TankconBoss Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
No prob
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tato-11 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree, "Love and Tolerate" is supposed to be kind of the Brony doing by keeping the moral values and friendly attitude toward others even when there is something we dislike. This doesn't mean that we should be dormant, it means that we should respect others likes and be constructive instead of a bunch of bullies throwing hate every time someone do something we don't like.

I don't like "Mature" content many people post, actually, I really hate that kind of stuff, but that doesn't mean I will be going from post to post being a jerk when I found one, just ignore it and keep your way. And go ahead, call me hypocrite because I did threw some hate comments one time when I was having a really really reeeeally bad time and I kind of explode (trust me, nobody deserves be under that kind of stress...) but I did apologize for being such a pain on the plot.

TLDR: when you dislike something don't be a bully, just be polite, be kind, be constructive and most important... "Love and tolerate". You will be happier and feel much better that way.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
you are no pain, your opinion is welcome
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student General Artist
Exactly! i think most of the people in this group can agree with this. the people who are throwing hate around for the most Un-important reasons can never be real bronies.
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MAJORA64 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
My alicorn OC Chroma Cutter fav.me/d5078pt is an alicorn, and I don't equate alicorns as deities, gods or princesses. I chose alicorn because I think alicorns are badass. Even some of my friends said "You can't be an alicorn!". But I did anyways!
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
nice, 
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Scintillant-H Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013   General Artist

*raises hoof* I'm in!

things are crazy with haters in every fandom, really... I'm dealing with something similar in the "Teen Titan" fandom with that new 2013 show they made where they turned the old show into something like a "gumball/family guy" combo. Personally, I hate the show, but I admit the few good points and I don't rip ponies to shreds for liking it. ((and I think everyone has an "inner-pony", so even non bronies I call "ponies" when I'm speaking through my self-insert-OC... such as now ;) ))

 

the problem you mention is a bit different, as most hate towards the TT 2012 comes from outside the fandom, but hate is hate. It's unfair and poorly managed. I may hate things, but I don't believe anypony should tear another to pieces for doing their fandom their way. I may critique other ponies, sometimes harshly, but I at least TRY to be nice about it. What's to gain from being mean about it?

 

This whole ridiculous mess makes me want to create an alicorn MLP OC just to spite the haters :devilish:

 

I think they may be thinking of Mary Sues, having too much power. And I hate Mary Sues as well as anypony, in fact I just entered a contest that was to create a Mary Sue Sailor Moon Sailor Scout. I did such a good job writing her stats that I have a lot of people telling me I'm going to win, but I think there are a couple of people who may win over me ^^;

We Sue haters love this kind of thing, cuz it's a joke, but we SO hate real Sues. I met one last week, but I'm not going to hurt anypony for wanting a Mary Sue.

 

But not every Alicorn is a Mary Sue automatically. It's kind of like writing a Master Chief fanfiction (which I'm trying to plan out right now for my friend ^^; IT'S HARD BECAUSE-->) he's so strong/powerful and smart and on the snarky side sometimes--by the end of Halo 4 he's even "evolved" genetically by an alien to be better than any other human existent! it makes him "too good" and so I have to find ways to make the plot work against him, and try to make him look bad sometimes without going OOC. If I don't do it that way, he's too Mary Sue :( ((DONT TELL HALO FANS I SAID THAT)) With an overpowered character, you have to make the plot work specifically to bring out what little flaws they have, and a dash of humiliation here and there. Even if they're too cool-headed to be humiliated, they can still LOOK bad visually while making their "I don't care" pose. After that "evolution" I was thinking "oh, maaaaaaaan... Mary Suuuuuuuuuuuee...!" but they pulled it off well, in my opinion.

 

It's all about writing and plot. If you make your OC's personalities well-rounded enough, who cares if they're an alicorn? They're not a Mary Sue. And if they happen to be emotionally strong, strategic, they don't panic, and they're resourceful (all that being "Mary Sue"), then work certain plot angles against them. Just try not to go overboard in laying it on them, cuz that's the "feel sorry for my Mary Sue cuz they're so unfortunate" move. Even when the OC doesn't get all sad, it can still be a "Sue plot move".

A good example was when the guy in Halo 4 (sorry if you haven't seen it, I'll explain ;) ) demanded that Master Chief be arrested and that the ship's crew wasn't going to bother trying to stop Didact from killing Earth, because they didn't believe Master Chief when he told them the news. It was... on the cliché side, and not as well written as I think it could have been. Not to mention that they wanted to delete Chief's A.I. because she was falling apart (it's a kind of A.I. insanity called "rampancy" that's like A.I. rabies sort of...) but he tells them "no" cuz she's his friend. It was a very "look how tough Chief is" moment that bordered being "Mary Sue", made a little worse by the A.I. acting all scared about being deleted, begging for her life.

They pulled it off, but it was kind of a "realistic freebie". When something's realistic enough, it's OK even if it's Mary Sue, because you're writing it the way it would happen for real.

 

And I have just realized that I'm rambling ^^; ^^; ^^; well, before I put my back-hoof in my mouth, I'll start shutting up >///< Just a few basics for making any OC, keep it real, write it honest, and let the haters bang their heads on their own walls. Stand up for yourself when they come around, be adult about it (regardless of your actual age) and give them no mind at all. ;) Every now and then make a journal about it, with some examples, to remind ponies that they shouldn't let it all get them down and that even through the haters, all the non-haters are still united!

We're still here for each other! Haters are everywhere.... if anything, their hate brings us closer to the nicer ponies :heart: only if we support each other will the weaker ponies survive. So many are so easily discouraged and even sometimes abandon their fandom for fear of getting hate... if they had more support, not white knights or enablers, but "supporters" and friends, they'd be fine. They could become stronger from the experience and live much happier.

 

Isnt Equestria and Ponyville all about the happy ending? Well, that happy ending doesn't make itself! MLP teaches us that doesn't it? (so does every other story with impending evil, but ignore that!) We make our own happy endings, but the "happiest" ones are where were together.

:love: and if that's too mushy gushy, then you're in the wrong fandom, baby! :hug: I'm changing my profile icon to be my self-insert MLP OC, "Glitter Spin", over this ;) 

haters.... talk to the hoof!! (yes, I went to corny-dom for that line)

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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013
I am glad you are in.
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vincemanners12 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Student General Artist
Well, people make alicorns because its fun. That's about it. Haters need to chill out, its just OCs...
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013
yeah, you have the right idea. :3
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Student General Artist
Mate, you hit the nail on it's head.

Personally i'm not fond of these types of journals but you've put a good issue in the spotlight here. why do people hate Allicorn OC's when there are also mary-sue/badly designed earth ponies,pegasi and unicorns? the answer is simple :

because our fandom is so diverse. because of all the luvs and tollerances a lot of different people got to join our fandom regardless of their gender,sexuality, age and opinions. there are different types of bronies withing bronydom itself and THE steriotype brony does not exist. appearently some of the bronies can't handle allicorns. these people need attention, so don't reply and just hide their comments. simpel as that.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013
ok, I'll do that from now on, I kinda had to block a couple of people in the group...
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MrKyuubi Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Student General Artist
I get ya. It's rather annoying on how we used to use the "Love and Tolerate" thing all over the place, and now only a few of us can honestly say that we "Love and Tolerate" at all.

I won't say it's wrong to dislike something, seeing as how that's our opinion, but it does get rather tedious and annoying to constantly see the obvious hate and contempt that comes from people within the fandom at other, also within the fandom. truth be told, that probably why there seems to be unnecessary flame wars all over the place.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013
they should keep it to themselves, if you see it and don't like it just move on, down the line, its what I do.
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student General Artist
indeed, and people who are not capable of doing so should leave our fandom, Those people are NOT welcome within our community!
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
you are right, because if we ask them to change who they are, we are no better.
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student General Artist
ok then, i'm not gonna discuss that because my opinion greatly differs.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
sorry, but basicly they are trying to change who a person is, through their hate for whatever the suject is, that is why I said that...
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aNIGHTLYpony Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Student General Artist
if someone's personality concists of harassing other people, does saying something about it mean i'm trying to change that person?

I have asperger syndrome for example and sometimes the things i say or do can bother people (without me knowing it), when people give me a hint or tell me to cut it out i appreciate that, i don't see that as people trying to change me. it's people HELPING me and confronting me with my flaws, it helps me AND society. In life we all have our qualities and flaws, of course it's harsh to confronted with your negative aspects, but at the end of the day people helped me.

Changing people is impossible by the way, people are who they are. we just have to be there for eachother as a society to make sure we show an equal ammount of respect for eachother, nothing bad about it. so yes if people hate on Alicorns you don't have to convince or force them to not do so anymore, but you CAN ask them to keep it to themselves so they don't spoil the fun and hurt feelings.

That's good for me,you,them and bronydom as a whole.
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moonwing-115 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
good points... 
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